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Search Features. Search Conversations. Got a Question? Menu X close Got a Question? Magdalen vs Maudlin. It is most definitely Magdalen - Maudlin pronunciation only applies to the Oxford College apparently due to the French pronunciation around at the time of it's inception - according to the web. My school friend lived in a house on Magdalen Rd, her family had lived in it from the time it had been built it was bought off-plan!
Post Reply. Re: Magdalen vs Maudlin. Paula - what a fab fab post! You should go on Million Pound Drop Live! Had to reply to this!! Connect with us. Media Enquiries. Job Vacancies. Magdalen's Libraries. Longwall Library. SOLO Library catalogue. History of Magdalen College Libraries.
Library Accessibility Guide. About the Archives. Access to the Archives. Online Catalogues. Hogarth — Lawrence — Wilson Projects. Apparently it is an issue that has rumbled on for hundreds of years as when Magdalen College, Oxford was established in there was already a debate as to which pronunciation was correct.
The founder William of Waynflete put this issue to bed by including in the incorporating articles of the college his preferred pronunciation i. As to where the differing pronunciations arose from this was related to the general and widespread change in English pronunciation — known as the Great Vowel Shift to scholars of the English language — that began in the s and took more than years to complete.
It seems William of Waynflete was not in agreement with the middle vowel shift and attempted to stem the tide. To this very day he is still holding the line in one corner of Oxford. That is the corner by the college and the Magdalen bridge which are both certainly still pronounced as Maudlin.
Spelling was not of course standardized until well into the 18th century but if that is how Caxton spelled it in the first print in the s I guess that is pretty good evidence of how it was pronounced then. On a related note, with regard to the surname Maudlin, turns out it shares a common Y DNA origin with several similarly routed names that eventually found themselves as Modlin, Medlin, Maitlen, Madelin, Meadlin, Maitland, etc. Most of these are from individuals tested in the US though one English Madelin was found to have a common Y DNA origin, thought to be back round the year or earlier.
It is not currently known how a female first name became a patrilineal surname, though there are several theories. Hi Paul, I do not understand why you refer to patrilineal?
If i am not mistaken the father of Mary has always been in dispute, to my mind dependant on opinion and reverence for her? Magdalen may have been her middle name , familial name also in disppute? As for Madelen or Madeleyn for as many years as I recall Maugdelyn Bridge has always been known thus! As a shot in the dark , I feel that is connected to her tears of sadness , therefore the river below?
I should remember correct spelling , albeit without checking does the bridge include a g or not? Thanks for this very interesting article. As a young schoolboy in Indiana, I cannot count the times that I daydreamed about why no one seemed to share my surname, Modlin, and from where it originated.
Then, around , my father and I stumbled onto an older gent in a small shop, scarcely more than a booth, near the antique shops in Everyday Square. The sheet, surprisingly, turned out to be accurate, tracing the spellings back through Modlin, Maudlin, Maudalyne, Maudalyne, and Maudalayne, to Magdalen. It explained the origin of the name was a reference to Mary Magdalene whom, it said, had nearly eclipsed the Blessed Mother in adoration in York, Oxford, and Cambridge.
He made his voyage around My first North American born namesake, Edward Maudlin, was born around Pros and cons include loving knowing the origination of the name and its association with Mary Magdalene. Cons include the definition of the adjective… especially when one is a performer who is best known theoretically, of course for humor and quick wit.
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